Stan Champion is a 30-year independent music business veteran, performer, and recent small performance venue owner. He has been branding his Roots Rock Society band for over 25 years and started his Starstruck Productions five years prior. Winning various world music and reggae music awards from his hometown of Chicago, Champion has been bestowed the title of a “Legend” by various media and industry professionals in the city and nation. Following a request via his Twitter (RootsRoom) and a phone call found on his venue web site www.rootsroom.net, he granted this interview about how reality continues to have an impact on his pursuance of independence in the music industry.
COMMANDER: Presently, how is your journey in Chicago’s music business scene?
CHAMPION: I’ve had master plans but couldn’t bring home the championship. [Sometimes] you have to take steps back to go forward like a student reviewing previous chapters in the book or like using a reference library.
COMMANDER: What needs reviewing?
CHAMPION: Getting people to know about the music plus the venue and taking it to the streets [with] content and substance – always! It is like in the beginning when a Disc Jockey from Fort Wayne, Indiana asked to send Roots Rock Society music to the College Music Journal for a review. The result was that 7 college stations requested copies, thus, A REASON TO MAKE MORE PRODUCT! It was important because back then, college stations could reach hundreds of thousands of people in Chicago, however, post 911 [September 11 World Trade Center) – even accessing college radio stations have become difficult for independents to access due to increases in security; also, an independent could get various support for music recording releases by using accumulated “playlist” from stations where stars were also being played. Even then, James Brown had control of six stations; now, even that is changing with technologies impact on terrestrial radio. [Nowadays] we are playing RRS music in the venue and making sure the sound crews at our live shows play the music between sets in order to get some audience responses…Some blip on the radar is better than none.
COMMANDER: What do you think about operating the venue?
CHAMPION: Well, you have to understand that the club – like the music and CMJ response - fell into my hands, but, since the club is a non alcoholic place and I’m not an alcohol drinker and nor do I want to know about it, then, I don’t know anything about operating an alcoholic bar. Most performance venues use music in association with beer and alcohol.
COMMANDER: Any advantages with the local community, colleges or students?
CHAMPION: The only advantages are when there is openness in college. Progressive communities are more potentially favorable, however, closed mindedness to new community entrants tends to create a closed minded response. In other words, different ethnic groups tend to stay to themselves. Some people are U.S. friendly but adamantly closed off to other ethnic communities. The merchants will take your money, but, stay to themselves…until more comfortable at letting loose… Diversity initiatives are a relative new phenomenon…Even costumers go to places for familiar services but they don’t get beyond curiosity.
COMMANDER: What are some of the greatest values from being an independent?
CHAMPION: Potentialities are the values…but some people say you can’t make money on potentialities. Maintaining the RRS brand is a value. Now we can get airplay and direct people to our venue, instead of hoping a venue would let us bring our audience to their club.
COMMANDER: What are some of the challenges?
CHAMPION: We have a legacy and a museum to feature products and brands. Also, joining and pushing compatible brands like the food from Martha’s kitchen next door and the RRS music. I’ll have to keep the promotional events running at least ten times in order to get some results.
COMMANDER: Are you still testing a variety of initiatives?
CHAMPION: Yes, since day one we couldn’t get a license at first, then, the Alderman said that as long as we are not a nuisance we could operate; therefore, we walking on egg shells while keeping Community Area Policing and the Alderman about our activities so that we wouldn’t get a cease and desist letter.
COMMANDER: What has been some of the strike outs or misses?
CHAMPION: The unknown community responses from businesses, colleges and citizens. Discerning the progressive propaganda and images from progressive realities like the presence of conservative tendencies and community reluctances. Although I’m on the community board and it has helped with certain issues, only one of 30 community board members actually came to the venue. There is a resentment to change that exist in the community from conservative and orthodoxy leanings. There are more economic factors for the ethnic diversity within the formation of the community (for example lower rents and housing) oppose to cultural and social connections.
COMMANDER: How is technology helping to get your audience to your venue?
CHAMPION: Not much….the Roots Room is a special place for special people. Technology is a let down, because it is technology for ‘nerdship’. Social networking is in essence anti-social because folks stay in their rooms. There is less formation of cliques - now they’re just clicking and want people to bring everything to them. They remind me of my early days when there were musicians who just played instruments in their room and not in front of audiences. Although they are getting an increase in clicks (hits) it is not translating into club visits [at that rate] maybe it would take years to have a LIVE audience built upon those results. On the other hand, seeds come up in seasons so you have to constantly be planting seeds.
COMMANDER: Do you feel like the current industry has a sort of catch 22?
CHAMPION: Well at least we have a place, we are releasing product and we are a traveling band, which means you can always take it to the streets. The artist was long in existence before the industry…[You] must have patience, like a plant growing without us seeing the photosynthesis process: you will not blossom until it is your time.
COMMANDER: How long do you give the process?
CHAMPION: I don’t know, until the money runs out. I don’t know when the season is going to be. I wouldn’t want to reach an age to never find out what it would have been like to try. I wouldn’t want to carry that anxiety. The fact that some businesses can keep their lights and phones on is progress to me, and not the excess bling bling like cars and boats. Whether creation or business the journey is like a calling or a way of life. If I don’t farm I don’t eat; sometimes even if you farm you don’t eat; and sometimes there are years when you can’t even plant! That’s why they say that you shouldn’t do anything that you don’t have a passion for because your passion will get you over the hurdles. The test is not how well you do when things are going well, but, how well do you deal with things when they are in discord or don’t go your way. In my case, I heard a voice two years before I made a move and I thought it was the devil telling me to leave my job! When I was in the private sector I had no security, but when I went on my own I paid attention to resources, etc. Some of those who can’t handle these realities of not having jobs in the current economy are committing suicide. In order for me to live the lifestyle I’m living today, I’d have to be signed with a label and selling over 600,000 units. Some people who took that path do not even have a venue or anything else.
COMMANDER: What is the difference between suffering for the private sector and suffering for the independent sector?
CHAMPION: Well, that’s a good question that you just made me think about. Its like going to school and being approached by bullies and gangs. Suffering or persecution comes more when you are an independent. It is one thing for colleges to train you for employment as an undergraduate; however, business ownership should be the thinking of an M.B.A. eventually. You could be rich with the money invested in the college education if you were marketing some kind of business up start. The corporate influenced ideal is to feed the corporate machine to their benefit instead of competing with them. You may be chosen, but, you are chosen to suffer too; the next question is “why do I suffer so?”.
COMMANDER: What enables you to discern corporate influences and be an effective independent?
CHAMPION: I was part of the private sector in the middle 60’s and I know what you are dealing with. Even my mentors at the time were limiting because they had NEVER been outside the private sector. The other side of the corporate coin is “who do you think you are to step in this arena and be better than us?” Sometimes competition intensified unjustly or discriminatory and not from strictly business oriented biases, not just that the best man wins, but, often because of the best fair head and ethnic orientation. There were traps and pitfalls being laid.
COMMANDER: Is it best to take a wholelistic approach to a niche rather than a single concentration in a segment of a niche?
CHAMPION: Yes, because of lack of opportunities. You have to take whole approach; as long as people buying it and liking the product, then, keep on selling.
COMMANDER: So is suffering redemptive?
CHAMPION: If you stay around long enough. Buddy Guy and Coco Taylor were not the only blues singers and legends but you have to stay around long enough it been said that recognition comes to both an old architect or an old prostitute.
COMMANDER: What is the goal, achievement or honor as an independent?
CHAMPION: There is a difference from not being paid and not being recognized i.e. the Funk Brothers from Motown who got paid but was not recognized. Back when I started most musicians were not playing instruments for money, just playing was the satisfaction.
COMMANDER: Are you in business to protect a legacy and passion or to get paid?
CHAMPION: Because of growth it came to where it is (business) but I still play for people for nothing, like being a human get well card in hospitals and other places. I’ve left a mark that can be recognized. I’m still playing my guitar in the way I first started playing in 1965. The business makes you do it even more because its not just music . [The business] it makes you want to sing a song of joy and praise for the gift. Today, my schedule is based on a demand for the music. That is the biggest tribute instead of negotiating to get appearances.
COMMANDER: Where does integrity fit into the independent journey?
CHAMPION: Buccaneers, Pirates, Marauders, American business and capitalism was built on non-ethics and amorality. They tell me all the time [Champion] that is why you are not a success. When you explain the ethical dilemma in front of students, some students reply (mockingly): “so that I can end up like you?”; at that point, I just let my actions speak and not argue. I just give them time. I plan on outlasting everyone. You can have the lungs and legs to play the game, however, can you win the game and the championship? When I was first starting on this journey and an accountant told me that I could turn my Starstruck Production thing I had going on the side into a legitimate entity and have a tax write off, I said: “you mean its not legal!” This was in 1976, two years after they started the “business and the arts” courses at Columbia College of Chicago.
(Image Below - right to left: Stan Champion, Vernin White of Earth, Wind, and Fire, Jakiyah of RRS,
and 'The MO Amper' Commander performing at the Earth Wind & Fire concert.)